Do I need to change reels or line?

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Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by LowRange » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:03 pm

To solve this problem.
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The Tatula SV will dump it's spool of line with a Terminator 11/16 oz frog. The line is #50 Trilene braid and filled to the bevel of the spool no gap. It is a nice problem to have because I do most of my frogging from the bank but I also want to use the reel for 1 to 2.5 oz swimbaits.

Do the heavier but larger profile swimbaits cast further than a small aerodynamic 11/16 oz frogs or is it about the same?

Should I switch to a smaller diameter braid like Samurai Braid to allow me to increase line capacity while still having a #50 or #65 rating or do I have to switch reels to something with a higher line capacity?

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by slipperybob » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:20 pm

Me, I go with a reel with more line capacity if say keeping that 50# like diameter. If you're partial to that reel, then drop line diameter.

The fish I catch aren't huge, so 20# braid is more than enough for me.
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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by freelancer27 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:22 pm

Have a look at a Zillion HD or a Coastal TWS (you can get them relatively cheap on ebay right now). I can recommend both reels for frogging!

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by dhottle » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Your happy with the reel & obviously it casts well. Change the line to the same braid in 40lb. That should give you enough line capacity without changing reels.

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Post by hoohoorjoo » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pm

You only need a few wraps of mono as backing to keep braid from slipping, assuming you cinch down the mono knot really tight on the spool. I say remove all but about 3 ft of the backing and re-spool with more 50# braid. You should fit about 80 yds. That should solve your problem. I toss frogs with 40# Gliss on a Tat SV and have been VERY pleased with the casting distance. It sails extremely quietly thru the guides and casts further than any braid I have used. I have a full 125 yd spool of it on my reel, plus a good amount of backing and never get anywhere near the backing knot. I actually had to strip it off and add more backing, because the spool was only half full when I finished! :lol: It has given me zero trouble and is strong like braid, but even thinner in diameter. The 40# is about the size of 6# mono. Seriously, it's about like 20# PP SS8, only smoother.
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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by SSS » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:07 pm

You should try the J Braid instead of the Samurai. Its thin and slick, just like SB, but really cheap.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by LowRange » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:21 pm

hoohoorjoo wrote:You only need a few wraps of mono as backing to keep braid from slipping, assuming you cinch down the mono knot really tight on the spool. I say remove all but about 3 ft of the backing and re-spool with more 50# braid. You should fit about 80 yds. That should solve your problem. I toss frogs with 40# Gliss on a Tat SV and have been VERY pleased with the casting distance. It sails extremely quietly thru the guides and casts further than any braid I have used. I have a full 125 yd spool of it on my reel, plus a good amount of backing and never get anywhere near the backing knot. It has given me zero trouble and is strong like braid, but even thinner in diameter. The 40# is about the size of 6# mono. Seriously, it's about like 20# PP SS8, only smoother.

I don't have any backing. The braid is duck taped to the spool and it is casting down to the tape with a 11/16 oz frog. I think I'll have to turn the brakes up with heaver baits to keep from spooling the reel unless I switch to a smaller diameter line. The tat SV probably isn't the right reel for the job but I'll try some of the smaller diameter braid s to get a little more line on the reel for small swimbait use.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by Fishingelbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:51 pm

You should be getting substantially more distance with the weight range of swimbaits you're describing (providing you have the rod to handle them). Of course, if they're multi-jointed, "helicoptering" would enter into the equation and then the distances may vary a lot.
Overall, any option where you play with the line diameter wouldn't make that much difference and you'd still be in a tight spot often. Since you can never have too many reels :twisted:, why not add a Tatula 150 to your arsenal and be done with it? :lol:
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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by ShimanoFan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:04 pm

slipperybob wrote:Me, I go with a reel with more line capacity if say keeping that 50# like diameter. If you're partial to that reel, then drop line diameter.

The fish I catch aren't huge, so 20# braid is more than enough for me.
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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by LowRange » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Fishingelbow wrote:You should be getting substantially more distance with the weight range of swimbaits you're describing (providing you have the rod to handle them). Of course, if they're multi-jointed, "helicoptering" would enter into the equation and then the distances may vary a lot.
Overall, any option where you play with the line diameter wouldn't make that much difference and you'd still be in a tight spot often. Since you can never have too many reels :twisted:, why not add a Tatula 150 to your arsenal and be done with it? :lol:
The Hyuga deserves better than that. I almost felt bad putting the tat SV on it. I'm thinking 2018 Ryoga.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by Houndfish » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:24 am

Man, I am either just a bad caster or run my brakes way way too conservatively. I have a sv103 on my Hyuga and with the same capacity spool and using 55lb braid or 25 lb Defier Armilo, I never come close to spooling my reel, hell, I run both spools with like 40-45% backing and never even hit the tape. This is with casting both ~1/2oz frogs and ~2.5oz big baits.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by Fishingelbow » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:49 am

LowRange wrote:
Fishingelbow wrote:You should be getting substantially more distance with the weight range of swimbaits you're describing (providing you have the rod to handle them). Of course, if they're multi-jointed, "helicoptering" would enter into the equation and then the distances may vary a lot.
Overall, any option where you play with the line diameter wouldn't make that much difference and you'd still be in a tight spot often. Since you can never have too many reels :twisted:, why not add a Tatula 150 to your arsenal and be done with it? :lol:
The Hyuga deserves better than that. I almost felt bad putting the tat SV on it. I'm thinking 2018 Ryoga.
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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by johnD » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:04 am

imo samurai is better for finesse situations. i had problems with it power fishing (break offs) flippin and punching.
try 40 lb sufix 832. reel it on tighter than dicks hatband.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by LowRange » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:49 am

Houndfish wrote:Man, I am either just a bad caster or run my brakes way way too conservatively. I have a sv103 on my Hyuga and with the same capacity spool and using 55lb braid or 25 lb Defier Armilo, I never come close to spooling my reel, hell, I run both spools with like 40-45% backing and never even hit the tape. This is with casting both ~1/2oz frogs and ~2.5oz big baits.
It's nothing I'm doing. That rod will launch a bait out there. I do have to try and cast far. If I just place the rod over by shoulder and cast it out there lazily like I do from a kayak it won't go as far and it won't load the rod well with a frog. I do a slight circle behind my back and pull back on the rear grip on the cast. That casting motion helps to load the rod with a frog and gains a lot of distance but I can only do it standing. Now that I think about it will do most of my bigger treble hook baits from the kayak taegeting ponds where I will cast lazily in a seated position. If I throw any swimbaits from the bass boat deck I'll just pull the LIN Black Jungle off the X4 711 and use it.

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Re: Do I need to change reels or line?

Post by LowRange » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:51 am

johnD wrote:imo samurai is better for finesse situations. i had problems with it power fishing (break offs) flippin and punching.
try 40 lb sufix 832. reel it on tighter than dicks hatband.
Thanks. I had concerns about the line's small diameter causing problems

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