And I absolutely confident what USDM reels are not better than JDM counterparts.
It doesn't make sense for a reputable brand make a lesser quality product for a specific region.
I buy both, in majority cases - in Japan, just because of the prices.
I know many international anglers buy from Japan shops, and all together I think Japan shops sell more reels than US (here I'm talking about Japanese brands only).
If somebody lives, let say in London, the same reel from Japan (price + shipping) is going to cost you way cheaper than same Japanese reel from US.
Look up how much USPS charges for Express shipping to overseas!
Or compare shipping prices for one piece rod...
Unsubstantiated blanket statement.VinnyOA wrote:You'll get more lemons if you buy a jdm reel over a USD reel.Quality control for USD reels is more severe than jdm reels.
Hearsay from source with financial interests involved.VinnyOA wrote:It doesn't make sense.The north american/USDM market is where they sell the most reels,why would they sell us reels with looser tolerances?I don't think they'd ship out reels to north America that are "lesser",knowing all the warranty/returns problems it would cause.Whereas jdm reels stay in japan so returning them to the supplier/factory is easy.This is what the Canadian distributor for a certain company has told me.
Blanket statement, lacking any specificity.VinnyOA wrote:Talking about made in japan USDM reels.
Argument based on false premise. If all your reels are MIJ/USDM than what experience do you have with MIJ/JDM reels. Please add specifics or offer valid references.VinnyOA wrote:Yeah that's why all my reels are MiJ but to say USDM reels are of lesser build quality than JDM reels is false.In my experience,when the japanese decide to offer a product to the north american market,it has already been out in japan,so the engineers have had time to correct hidden flaws and tweak the product using feedback from japanese buyers.Then they send them over to north America.
I like my coffee black. You resorting to passive aggressive responses to a mod (with 3,355 more contributions to this site) won't further your invalid argument. But hey do you.VinnyOA wrote:Bearings or bushings in a knob doesnt affect performance.Both will last long enough.And printed names on knobs and star drags...Do you like your coffee with two sugars or black?
I only buy JDM reels when they have a better price and/or option(s) that I am looking for. I tend to like shallower spools and bearings in my I-shape handle knobs, but I often have to buy a 90mm handle to replace the shorter JDM handles. It's cheaper to do the later. You have to weigh the options in any economic decision. I'm not the first, or the last, economist to say this.
This statement clearly shows that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to fishing gear. Yes, more often than not JDM rods come with SIC guides at minimum. So without this example the consumer is getting more bang for your buck. I could list numerous examples as Tim did, but at this point I'm wasting my time. Cost has little to do with it. When the NRX was introduced it was known for poor quality control. If it was put together by the folks at Shimano Japan, I'd bet these QC issues rarely happened. I'm happy you're happy with your riveted, rubber knobs, but most folks aren't. Not around here anyways. Oh wait, I guess Daiwa chose these because it was the least expensive knobs. Certainly doesn't mean it's of lesser quality though. Only weighs 3X as much as the cork knobs and isn't removable. I'm not sure if you're just playing devil's advocate, or you're just extremely opinionated and uneducated, basing your thoughts on your one bicycle experience. I've recently entered the world of high end, audiophile headphones. Being a noob I certainly wouldn't entertain the idea of arguing with some of the most educated and experienced people in that area of expertise, but I can tell you this. Having Audio Technica headphones made in China for the US market against my Audio Technica headphones made in Japan for the Japanese market, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of build quality, materials, and sound. People who are particular about rod and reel build quality often turn to the JDM market for a reason.VinnyOA wrote:Most jdm rods use SiC inserts lol most rods use whatever inserts cost the lease for the price of the rod.
I apologize for getting off track in this thread. I encourage everyone to stay on track as I intend to do moving forward. Buy what you like. It's your money.
I only use custom rods and I'm failing to see how this is relevant.VinnyOA wrote:Of course many rods are only available in japan but that doesn't make them better.I can build a K2 blank with the same guides and dork real seats and it will be just as good as a jdm version of the rod.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions here. But if you came here soley to instigate arguments, there are other forums that tolerate that sort of thing. A civil discussion is fine, but stop with the arguing.VinnyOA wrote:Of course many rods are only available in japan but that doesn't make them better.I can build a K2 blank with the same guides and dork real seats and it will be just as good as a jdm version of the rod.
It's supposed to read Japan. Typing from my phone - Auto predict.VinnyOA wrote:So you are comparing a made in china audio technica headphone to a made in japan audio technica headphone.What's the relevance to us debating both made in japan rods like the Levante and the hyuga?Bad analogy.Both these rods are almost identical.Only aesthetics are different.But they are both made in japan and i'd be hard pressed to see if you'd notice any differences performance wise.Oh btw juste because something is made in china doesn't mean it's trash,that's kinda biased if you ask me.My made in china M14s as just as good as my Springfield armory M14s.One costs 600$ the other 1800$.Performance wise they are almost identical.
I think you're just trying to ruffle feathers. I'm sure others do as well, which is likely why they stopped posting on this thread.VinnyOA wrote:I'm not arguing I'm debating .I think the fishing industry as a whole could benefit from this.
Your ignorance is apparent to everyone but you. As a moderator here, it is not only my right, but my job to mitigate argumentive behavior. What I said wasn't a suggestion-stop with the argumentive tone towards others here.VinnyOA wrote:Nah fam im saying what i know if you're triggered that's your problem.Up to now nothing you said countered anything I said.
I thought you said you weren't being argumentativeVinnyOA wrote:Nah fam im saying what i know if you're triggered that's your problem.Up to now nothing you said countered anything I said.
Are you twelve? Triggered? Wow. Just quit while you still have a chance to remain a member of this forum.