JDM Area Rod Goes Native

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JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by Knotty » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:59 am

I wanted to buy a JDM area or native rod and in an effort to determine what type of rod would work best for me I started buying various inexpensive SUL spinning and BFS rods from China. Mostly Kuying but also one Tsurinoya. FWIW, I haven't had a Kuying yet that I didn't like. Too early to tell with Tsurinoya. But along the way a JDM Daiwa Presso AGS 54XUL-S area rod came up in the classifieds forum and I bought it, even though I hadn't had a chance to test the cheap rods in streams. The Daiwa is amazing: 2.4 oz, solid tip, carbon guides, skeletal reel seat.

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With trout season finally open, I was able to wade fish a river with it twice this week. A Stradic Ci4+ 1000 reel perfectly balances the rod. For line I used hiviz Seaguar Yellow Hunter 4# flouro (from Japan) with a 6X tippet flouro leader. Rated at .6-2.5 g for lures and 1.5-3 # for lines, it casts light spoons with ease and has no problems with my beloved Trout Magnets, which, as many know, are actually 1 g or 1/32 oz with the plastic.

The question was how would this area rod handle native stream fishing? The stretch I fished was mostly slow moving but three trout, including the largest, were pulled from faster moving areas full of snags.

I entered the water expecting most of the trout to have been taken on opening weekend but much to my surprise I could see them rising to feast on the caddis hatch. Not a lot of them but at least they were there. Of course, there I am with spinning gear when dry flies are the name of the game. I keep a few heavier flies in my spin box, so I tied on a bead headed soft plastic grub with a minimal hackle and started drifting it past the nearest rising trout that was holding to the shallow bottom. No takes or movement until I got right in front of him. Saw it disappear and then set the hook. This was mid stream and the trout was small, so no problems landing it with the rod. The next trout would come from casting downstream into the turbulence caused by a large tree across the river with other downed trees creating a channel. Again the rod had no issues but again a small trout.

Switching to a small craft fur jig, I worked upstream. The water was crystal clear with no grasses growing yet. The only place I caught sight of other fish was along the banks amid the snags. Despite the challenges, good sized perch and bluegill and a moderate pickerel were pulled out and landed w/o a break off. The last fish of the day was the biggest trout, picked up near a bank, close to snags. The Presso AGS 54XUL-S had proven itself.

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Two days later I returned. Three trout again, including the largest yet, but only one yellow perch from the river. Leaving the river and hiking over to some small ponds, I caught many small gills, perch and crappie. Being able to effortlessly flick a Trout Magnet underhand from locations surrounded by brush was a real joy. Even on the stream I found that underhand casts were usually the most accurate.

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Some thoughts on the Daiwa. Because of it's low lure rating, it can cast things like trout magnets with ease and accuracy. It doesn't cast them far but plenty far enough for stream fishing. The sensitivity is amazing but not in the way I expected, it's hard to explain. It's not that I feel things that much more but I feel them "faster". The way the rod communicates with my hand is more immediate and in a way that makes me react faster. Sometimes you're almost startled or shocked by the feel. Since most of my stream fishing isn't in particularly fast water and the fish are usually small, I'm happy that I got this area rod but I'm sure a JDM native stream rod will be my next acquisition.

I suspect that the Kuyings will also fish well but won't have the something extra the Daiwa has. I'm starting to see why many who go down the JDM road never look back.

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Re: JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by ultralight » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:47 pm

Beautiful fish & report. Thanks.

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Re: JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by Alphahawk » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Beautiful fish and good read. That is a great rod. Never owned a native trout rod but am big fan of Area trout rods.


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Re: JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by Allsorts » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:36 pm

Thanks, interesting write up! I think that you may find that a native style rod won't fish those micro jigs as well as the Presso. Typically the native rods are designed with twitching sinking minnows in mind so tips are quite stiff relatively speaking. I am pondering my next purchase and am thinking that an ideal mico jig rod for moving water would be a 7' + Aji or Mebaru rod with a solid tip. Extra length useful for bigger water, maybe 6'10" for creeks.

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Re: JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by CM_Stewart » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:52 am

Allsorts wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:36 pm
Thanks, interesting write up! I think that you may find that a native style rod won't fish those micro jigs as well as the Presso. Typically the native rods are designed with twitching sinking minnows in mind so tips are quite stiff relatively speaking. I am pondering my next purchase and am thinking that an ideal mico jig rod for moving water would be a 7' + Aji or Mebaru rod with a solid tip. Extra length useful for bigger water, maybe 6'10" for creeks.
Allsorts, the creeks you fish must be different than the ones around here. I think Knotty's comment says it best "Being able to effortlessly flick a Trout Magnet underhand from locations surrounded by brush was a real joy. Even on the stream I found that underhand casts were usually the most accurate." Although I would have changed "even" to "especially."

Moderately short casts to small targets close to cover are the rule here, and at least for me, underhand casts are more accurate. I generally use rods from 5'0" to 5'3" and even a 5'6" rod like Knotty's starts to feel a little long. The upside to 5'6" is that you can get XXUL Area rods at that length.

I think you are absolutely correct that a short XXUL Area rod will cast a 1g lure better than any of the Native rods, although there are Native rods that will cast 1g plenty far enough. You can get Ajing jig heads that weigh a little more than a Trout Magnet, which together with a small plastic will weigh a little over 1.5 grams, and several of the UL Native rods will cast that weight as far and as accurately as you could want on a small stream.

Knotty, great write up. I think you may have the best little wild brookie rod there is. Looking forward to more reports!
Chris Stewart
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Re: JDM Area Rod Goes Native

Post by Allsorts » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:48 am

True, tight, narrow brushy creeks are not something I've spent a lot of time fishing, I defer to you guys in the NE on that. Out West and most other places I've fished, a little extra length has made fishing spinners, small jigs or floating minnows easier, even on smaller streams.

WRT to fine solid tips, the issue is not so much casting 1.5-3g (jig + plastic) but rather keeping in touch with and controlling the drift - for this I personally find solid tips useful. For jigs 3g and up total weight, I agree that any decent native trout rod will do the job. When using Native trout rods and twitching sinking minnows, I definitely prefer shorter rods for accuracy, even on good size steams.

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