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Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:10 am

Must have missed the Symetre getting killed off...seemingly replaced by the Nasci, hopefully not pronounced N.a.z.i. :D

The schematic diagram shows misc seals, a bearing on both sides of the main gear, x-ship and deletion of the roller bearing...same price as a Symetre. 1000 is the smallest size currently offered.

http://fish.shimano.com/content/sac-fis ... nasci.html

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/s ... 026003.pdf

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by gillchaser » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:39 am

I love my 500 Symetres .
I bought a 3000 to load wth some six # line on my 9' light St Croix Stillhead Rod . Planned on doing some carp fishing with it . Somethings different with the grip of the 3000 , BTW , the 3000 is the same reel as the 2500 but with a larger spool .
But back to the grip . I usually hold my spinning reels with a two finger split . Anything else feels odd and out of place . Can't do it with the 3000 . My knuckles rub against the reel foot . It's like the part that connects the reel to the foot is too short . It has a weird bend in it . IIRC , I went to a Gander Mountain and tried a 1000 and it also suffered the strange grip .
Cabelas has the 2500, 3000, and 4000 reduced . I was hoping to pick up another 500 before they're all gone , if I can find one at a good price .
I believe the Nasci is a bit heavier than the Symetre . Gillchaser

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:41 am

There have been many complaints about the FL models stem length. Maybe facing a needed model change in such a short period, it was just easier to replace it with the Nasci. The Symetre was sold in Australia too...will have to look on Shimano's Australia website.

Design doesn't look bad, but again being cheap on a bearing means having to buy an upgrade...if it's possible to easily do with the roller.

Though there seems to not be a 500 size, JDM doesn't do 500, they were just for the US...and IIRC, Australia.

Further investigation required.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:57 am

From the Australia website:
Imagine taking all the best features of Shimano’s legendary Symetre, Aernos and Technium spin reels, combining them into one super spin reel series with some high tech’ accoutrements — well that’s what you get with the new Nasci spin.
http://www.shimanofish.com.au/products/ ... nasci.html

In weird fashion, they go on to laud the worm gear oscillation...which these reels do not have.

Seems like there was a 2013 JDM Nasci...but the 500 size did not have X-ship...just like the Symetre 500FL did not have X-ship. The JDM 2013 Nasci does not look like the current reel.

Maybe this is the way to negate the lack of X-ship in 500 sized reels, introduce a new line without 500 sized reels.

The Sedona 500FD was essentially a Symetry 500FJ, but without a friction ring...they are also out of production, but can still be found. The old Symetre 500FJ seems scarcer.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Hulkster » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:38 pm

wasn't there a symetre 750 size out for awhile?

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:28 pm

Yes...the FI model; there was also a 1500 size as well...these sizes seemed more useful than 500/1000 in many cases, and certainly better than what now appears to be only a 1000 sized reel. 750/1500 seemed somewhat loosely akin size wise to Daiwa's Whisker Tournament SS 700 & SS 1300 sized reels.

Though the 500 size is useful on short thin rods where even a 750 or SS 700 seems to be too big on it...let alone a 1000 sized reel.

I never really got the issue/argument between 500 and 1000 sized spools...the diameters aren't all that different really.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:30 pm

Yes...you get one ball bearing and ratchet/pawl A/R.

http://fish.shimano.com/content/sac-fis ... ng/ax.html

Schematic:

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/s ... 025990.pdf

Same spool size as the Sahara 500, for example:

http://fish.shimano.com/content/sac-fis ... ahara.html

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by earthworm77 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:49 am

I've got a pair of the 500HG Nasci's I use on a Trapara and a Presso. They are likely the smallest good quality Shimano spinning reels ever made and unlike most 500 series reels, they have faster gear ratio. I like them.....it is pronounced Nashi, not N.A.Z.I. The 500HG was a 2013 model and I don't think they will go smaller than the 1000 in US. At less than 100.00, it is a very good reel.

I also have a Symetre 750Fi that I am bringing back to life from an issue with a broken oscillating gear tooth. Great little reel, I had 2, sold one. Wished it had the solid Stella type handle and not the crappy cheap one pictured. I'll likely wind up selling or trading it off at some point as it would be a back up to 3 other back ups.

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They look close in size but the Nasci is narrower in its body and spool than the Symetre. It is, slightly smaller IMHO.
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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by earthworm77 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:52 am

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:36 pm

From a bit of investigation, these FB Nasci's are replacing the 13 Nasci's which were known as the FA models.

It appears that the earliest Nasci, that would be the straight F model, had worm gear line lay.

Seems that the FB's will only go as small as 1000...there's still a few 500HG FA's available...not all that pricey either really....YET.

Seems like Shimano is getting rid of the eccentric oscillation gearing in any reel that isn't worm oscillation. AFAIK the Sahara is the only line that has a 500 size left.

The Nasci FB also has a number of seals...maybe these will be seen on more lines in the future.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by ScoobyDoo » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:00 am

Keep in mind the Nasci also has a hex keyed main gear and not a threaded handle shaft.

That says look elsewhere to me

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:43 am

Here's the internals of a Stradic Ci4+ FL...lots of plastic.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by earthworm77 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:38 am

Just a note, the JDM 13 Nasci's are drying up and becoming more rare to find. I got my hands on a Sahara 500HG which is the same size and sports a 6.2 to 1 ratio, hence the the high gearing designation. The Sahara is every bit as small as the Nasci. The only thing I don't care for is the cheaper reel handle.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:05 am

With the Sahara FI's, 500 sized reels are gone; though there is word that a Nasci 500 FB might be introduced...IIRC at ICAST 2017; we'll see.

Up to the Symetre 500 FJ, the Symetre, Sahara, Sedona and Sienna 500's were essentially the same platform with more and better bearings, gearing and incidentals such as handles as the price point increased...all had 500 size reels in their lines.

That changed a bit with the subsequent models which started dropping the 500 sized reels.

The Symetre 500FL is similar to the 13 Nasci 500 and the Sahara 500 FE, but only the JDM reels offered the 6.2:1 HG variants. Many parts are interchangeable, so something like a handle can easily be swapped out; if you can find it at a reasonable cost. I'm a big fan of parts reels, as many model changes and low stocks of repair parts mean tat keeping a favorite reel running can be a challenge.

I do believe that Shimano would prefer not to offer anything smaller than a 1000 sized reels. I guess they figure that anybody who is determined to use that size can just buy their AXULSA. Interestingly enough, under different names that reel has been in production since the 1980's.

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Re: Symetre No More?!

Post by Smead » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:14 pm

Well here's something:

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