How fast is too fast?

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How fast is too fast?

Postby Cal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:04 am

Looks like Abu is getting ready to introduce a refreshed Revo Rocket with a 10.1:1 gear ratio :shock: ... our question to you is, where will the speed race take us and how fast is too fast?

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby mark poulson » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:29 am

I think reel speed has practical limitations.
I have no doubt there are people out there who will be able to grind a fish out of heavy cover with a 10.1:1 reel. But those folks can already grind a fish out of anywhere with the reels now available. Bobby Barack can winch a fish out of anything, with any reel.
Even though they are currently available, I don't see many of the pros going to 8:1 reels, except for specialty things, like jerkbaits and topwater over clear water.
So I think this is almost an exercise in "what is possible", like Quantum's EXO reels, and maybe just another reel iteration to have something new to sell.
But I don't think a reel with that high a gear ratio will last very long, even with brass gears, if it's used for anything heavy.

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby BigG » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:00 am

Wow! Who on TT going to be the first. There will be people who just have to have one.

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Hobie-Wan Kenobi » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:21 am

Would be sweet to plug a BFS spool in there.
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Cal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:27 am

ccass wrote:Would be sweet to plug a BFS spool in there.


So when you almost spool your line on a cast, you can retrieve it all in one crank of the handle? :lol:
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Hobie-Wan Kenobi » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:39 am

Cal wrote:
ccass wrote:Would be sweet to plug a BFS spool in there.


So when you almost spool your line on a cast, you can retrieve it all in one crank of the handle? :lol:


Yeah, about 12 cranks
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby BigG » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:40 am

Cal wrote:
ccass wrote:Would be sweet to plug a BFS spool in there.


So when you almost spool your line on a cast, you can retrieve it all in one crank of the handle? :lol:

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby mark poulson » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:28 am

Cal wrote:
ccass wrote:Would be sweet to plug a BFS spool in there.


So when you almost spool your line on a cast, you can retrieve it all in one crank of the handle? :lol:

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby DirtyD64 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:21 am

40 inches per turn was too much for me. Made an old Zillion TWS feel rough and just lost too much torque. Changed to 7.3 gears and couldn't be happier. I am looking now though for another 8 speed reel, for light tossing around brush though (light cover) with 12-14lb fluorocarbon. That is about my only use for an 8 speed, and maybe for C-rigs and Football jigs. In my opinion 7 speed reels can do it all. 31 inches per turn is about perfect, 36+ is almost too fast, 29 or so can still be fine too.

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby LgMouthGambler » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:01 pm

I for one love the Gen4 platforms overall build/performance/ergonomics. Hopefully this reel has magtrax only brakes. I really hate the dual brake system as it seems to limit my style of casting. Either mag or centrifugal only for me. If the overall build is to my liking, I would most likely pick one up, and swap the gears to a 7 gear out of the S. I really just like the look of the Rocket to be truthful. This is a great reel for pitching and flipping around to be in and out of the holes. Yes, you may lose torque with the high gear ratio, but I dont hold the rod up and just reel on the fish anyways. I pull up on the rod and reel down as to not put the load on the gears.
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Cal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:04 pm

LgMouthGambler wrote:I for one love the Gen4 platforms overall build/performance/ergonomics. Hopefully this reel has magtrax only brakes. I really hate the dual brake system as it seems to limit my style of casting. Either mag or centrifugal only for me. If the overall build is to my liking, I would most likely pick one up, and swap the gears to a 7 gear out of the S. I really just like the look of the Rocket to be truthful. This is a great reel for pitching and flipping around to be in and out of the holes. Yes, you may lose torque with the high gear ratio, but I dont hold the rod up and just reel on the fish anyways. I pull up on the rod and reel down as to not put the load on the gears.



Forget the MagTrax... I’m hoping it has the IVCB-6 brakes!
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby LgMouthGambler » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:10 pm

Cal wrote:
LgMouthGambler wrote:I for one love the Gen4 platforms overall build/performance/ergonomics. Hopefully this reel has magtrax only brakes. I really hate the dual brake system as it seems to limit my style of casting. Either mag or centrifugal only for me. If the overall build is to my liking, I would most likely pick one up, and swap the gears to a 7 gear out of the S. I really just like the look of the Rocket to be truthful. This is a great reel for pitching and flipping around to be in and out of the holes. Yes, you may lose torque with the high gear ratio, but I dont hold the rod up and just reel on the fish anyways. I pull up on the rod and reel down as to not put the load on the gears.



Forget the MagTrax... I’m hoping it has the IVCB-6 brakes!


I havent dabbled on the Abu version of the centrifugal with external adjustment, but I will say that the version that is on the Lews Tournament Pro G is really sweet and easy to use.

The Magtrax will be a better suite for this reel as its more geared to pitching baits.
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Cal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:18 pm

I beg to differ... Abu’s IVCB reels pitch better than their MagTrax reels... there’s a reason they put that system on their higher end reels ;)
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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby Kurt L » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:37 pm

I think about 36" IPT is pretty good, but at 41" IPT if it does not struggle the more the better for us Salmon and Steelhead guys!

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Re: How fast is too fast?

Postby LgMouthGambler » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:03 pm

Cal wrote:I beg to differ... Abu’s IVCB reels pitch better than their MagTrax reels... there’s a reason they put that system on their higher end reels ;)


Pitching is a slow spool speed style, centrifugal brakes dont do a better overall job at that, unless you wanna crank them up, but then you lose performance. I.E. why Daiwas Magforce Z and SV reels accel at that. But hey, if it works for you, than more power to ya.
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