pros/cons, steez sv tws, us or jdm model?
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:31 pm
are there any differences between getting the us version or jdm for steez sv tws?
Agreed! Is the JPDM bigger than the USDM (I can not believe that)?Kurt L wrote:Gear ratio is the #1 item for me, why Daiwa does not bring the high speed versions of their higher end reels to the USA is a mystery to me
Kurt
Yeah the US version does have the 80mm handle on both the 6.3 and 7.1. You can get a 90mm version of the same handle from Japan, comes with the knobs too.DirtyD64 wrote:Do the US models have that tiny 80mm handle??? If so, what is a good looking handle to replace it with and what lock plate works best?
Interesting!VinnyOA wrote:You'll get more lemons if you buy a jdm reel over a USD reel.Quality control for USD reels is more severe than jdm reels.
I have it from a reliable source that the JDM reels have a much tighter QC process than the USDM models, even ones made on the same assembly line. This was told to me by a gentleman who actually works in one of these very factories in Japan. It makes sense if you think about in Japan, shops actually loan reels to potential customers to try out. A reel purchase there is more carefully considered than a car purchase here in the States. The Japanese culture has revolved around fishing for thousands of years, so I would tend to believe my source regarding the stringency of the QC process there.VinnyOA wrote:You'll get more lemons if you buy a jdm reel over a USD reel.Quality control for USD reels is more severe than jdm reels.
VinnyOA wrote:It doesn't make sense.The north american/USDM market is where they sell the most reels,why would they sell us reels with looser tolerances?I don't think they'd ship out reels to north America that are "lesser",knowing all the warranty/returns problems it would cause.Whereas jdm reels stay in japan so returning them to the supplier/factory is easy.This is what the Canadian distributor for a certain company has told me.
A Canadian distributer telling you to buy USDM (Canadian market included) products is what they are paid to do. You have to take where you get your info from into any equation when deciding.VinnyOA wrote:It doesn't make sense.The north american/USDM market is where they sell the most reels,why would they sell us reels with looser tolerances?I don't think they'd ship out reels to north America that are "lesser",knowing all the warranty/returns problems it would cause.Whereas jdm reels stay in japan so returning them to the supplier/factory is easy.This is what the Canadian distributor for a certain company has told me.
Simply put, the US market is overflowing with less-discerning consumers. There are many people who are happy to fish OEM equipment here that is made in Korea(Abu, Pfleuger, Lew's, just to name a few), while anything produced in Korea for the Japanese market is considered second-class. Again, that is straight from a friend who lives in Japan and works at a Daiwa factory. Case in point, Quantum even had some of their most expensive US market reels made in Japan back in the mid- to late 90's, just because of the quality and attention to detail that the Japanese manufacturers have. Those Quantum reels are still highly-regarded in Japan to this day, and were the only Quantum reels ever well-received there. Conversely, the mid-tier Quantum reels from the same era were produced in Korea, and those reels are what gave Quantum a bad reputation that still persists today.VinnyOA wrote:It doesn't make sense.The north american/USDM market is where they sell the most reels,why would they sell us reels with looser tolerances?I don't think they'd ship out reels to north America that are "lesser",knowing all the warranty/returns problems it would cause.Whereas jdm reels stay in japan so returning them to the supplier/factory is easy.This is what the Canadian distributor for a certain company has told me.
Most "USD" reels are made in Thailand, Korea, or China. Your higher end offerings are coming from Japan factories. Strangely enough, that same can be said for "JDM" reels. Why? They're made in the same factories with subtle differences for different markets such as spool depth, riveted handle knobs, etc. You're actually more likely to see a product with bushings and riveted handle knobs in a USDM reel because they market here dictates it. The Japanese go balls out with what they buy and cleaning, tweaking, and customizing is HUGE there compared to the US market. The US is known as a buy it, abuse it, and toss it market that also likes to put 300yds of line on the reel, so thats what they build for us here. As for warranty returns, they are done here in the states if the reel is sold on the US market. No need to send them back to Japan as they have authorized service centers here to do the work for them. You've been fed a lot of misinformation.VinnyOA wrote:You'll get more lemons if you buy a jdm reel over a USD reel.Quality control for USD reels is more severe than jdm reels.
Ok, let's go that route. A perfect example is the Millionaire CV-Z 253 vs the US model CV-Z 253A. The US model has riveted knobs and a bushing for the main drive shaft. The JDM model has 4 bearings in the knobs, cork knobs and a bearing for the drive shaft. Also, I beleive that the drag star on the JDM model is forged as 1-piece, while the US model has a pressed, 2-piece design(can't remember for sure, but I think that's right).VinnyOA wrote:Talking about made in japan USDM reels.