Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:00 pm
Hennessy ,
My thoughts exactly !
My thoughts exactly !
A dual bearing supported pinion is one of the best things to ever be put in a baitcaster. On spinners....Shimano and daiwa support the pinion in two spots below the ar clutch..where others do it above and below the ar clutch. But shimano has done that for a long time they just gave it a name in their spinners recently. They say other things make up x ship...but those are the most important at least in baitcasters.SSS wrote:Zero Adjuster is certainly dumb. But so is X-Ship. Its not even a feature worthy lol.ScoobyDoo wrote:T wing isn't a gimmick.QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:They all have gimmicks daiwas T wing and sv, shimanos micro module and mgl and megabass doesnt even make their own reels.SSS wrote:They had trouble competing with Daiwa and Shimano. Without a gimmick and a lot of paid youtubers, its very hard to get noticed when the other two delivering quality
Megabass, Daiwa, Shimano 4life. Rest can go away.
Whether it gains me distance or not I can't tell...never took it off and put on a standard levelwind. But it eliminates that bouncing off the rev limiter sound and sensation that happens on all non dsg levelwind reels as the line comes off the spool off center from the line guide. And i like the way stiffer lines come off the spool. If you've ever cast an open frame or non levelwind reel.(not sure if you have) but it offers that kind of smoothness. If daiwa put it in their lexa 400 which already has the furthest spaced levelwind from the spool ....It would have some serious long range bomber potential...Minus the greased spool bearings
Micro module is a gimmick in my opninion. I have owned plenty and it's no different in feel than gears in this concept or other reels. I don't feel the gears in the concept z any more than I do in an antares or steez. Look at van staal gears....they'd be called micro module 3x.....but it's still a coffee grinder (different gear cut but same idea of tiny teeth)
Now....the biggest gimmick i've seen...though it wasn't pushed at all...just given a name to something silly.......Daiwa's Zero Adjuster...now that is funny
SSS wrote:Zero Adjuster is certainly dumb. But so is X-Ship. Its not even a feature worthy lol.ScoobyDoo wrote:T wing isn't a gimmick.QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:They all have gimmicks daiwas T wing and sv, shimanos micro module and mgl and megabass doesnt even make their own reels.SSS wrote:They had trouble competing with Daiwa and Shimano. Without a gimmick and a lot of paid youtubers, its very hard to get noticed when the other two delivering quality
Megabass, Daiwa, Shimano 4life. Rest can go away.
Whether it gains me distance or not I can't tell...never took it off and put on a standard levelwind. But it eliminates that bouncing off the rev limiter sound and sensation that happens on all non dsg levelwind reels as the line comes off the spool off center from the line guide. And i like the way stiffer lines come off the spool. If you've ever cast an open frame or non levelwind reel.(not sure if you have) but it offers that kind of smoothness. If daiwa put it in their lexa 400 which already has the furthest spaced levelwind from the spool ....It would have some serious long range bomber potential...Minus the greased spool bearings
Micro module is a gimmick in my opninion. I have owned plenty and it's no different in feel than gears in this concept or other reels. I don't feel the gears in the concept z any more than I do in an antares or steez. Look at van staal gears....they'd be called micro module 3x.....but it's still a coffee grinder (different gear cut but same idea of tiny teeth)
Now....the biggest gimmick i've seen...though it wasn't pushed at all...just given a name to something silly.......Daiwa's Zero Adjuster...now that is funny
Gotta admit....Guy buys your reel with his hard earned money....puts the time in to supply the community with what he considers valuable feedback. *me personally I don't like the wheel measure method...and think all little biddy bass reels will all cast within 10% of one another.bigturtle wrote:ya, what was the "Thanks for the review! We needed a good laugh on a Friday! " left by 13 fishing on reel test's video all about?
Also, im curious if this concept Z bearing will actually last longer than a standard BB and fully sealed CRBB found on shimano/daiwa reels. Maybe spray some saltwater on them and let them sit for a few days?
I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ball bearings had the longest cast.13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.
The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class
you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .
No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 markQUAKEnSHAKE wrote:I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.
The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class
you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .
This sums it up for me. I'm sure such aggressive marketing works to some extent, but to me it is such a turn off. The marketing of the Concept Z makes me feel like I'm at the car lot being followed around by that guy who just doesn't know when to stop selling. The harder I get pushed the more skeptical I become.MediumHeavy wrote:To be honest, I’m a bit surprised at how defensive 13 Fishing is being about reviews and even the slightest criticism of this reel. The comments left on the Reel Test fella on YouTube seemed rude. The Reel Test didn’t even give it a bad review. To me, that’s a red flag, and not just concerning the Concept Z.
If your product is as good as you claim and you stand by it, people will buy it and like it. So, let folks review it however they want. Not everyone has access to test equipment or the ability to perform more scientifically accurate tests. That’s why we have Tackle Tour! Besides, even bad reviews are free publicity.
Sorry I don’t have anything to specifically add about the reel itself, I just noticed comments and replies on some YouTube videos and in this thread that made me raise an eyebrow about all of this. Carry on...
Yes it did. Re-read my statement.bigturtle wrote:No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 markQUAKEnSHAKE wrote:I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.
The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class
you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .
My issue with his casting tests...and why he blocks me on his channel.QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:Yes it did. Re-read my statement.bigturtle wrote:No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 markQUAKEnSHAKE wrote:I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.
The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class
you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .