Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby Real Pudd legend » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:00 pm

Hennessy ,

My thoughts exactly !

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby ScoobyDoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:27 pm

SSS wrote:
ScoobyDoo wrote:
QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
SSS wrote:They had trouble competing with Daiwa and Shimano. Without a gimmick and a lot of paid youtubers, its very hard to get noticed when the other two delivering quality

Megabass, Daiwa, Shimano 4life. Rest can go away. :!:

They all have gimmicks daiwas T wing and sv, shimanos micro module and mgl and megabass doesnt even make their own reels.


T wing isn't a gimmick.
Whether it gains me distance or not I can't tell...never took it off and put on a standard levelwind. But it eliminates that bouncing off the rev limiter sound and sensation that happens on all non dsg levelwind reels as the line comes off the spool off center from the line guide. And i like the way stiffer lines come off the spool. If you've ever cast an open frame or non levelwind reel.(not sure if you have) but it offers that kind of smoothness. If daiwa put it in their lexa 400 which already has the furthest spaced levelwind from the spool ....It would have some serious long range bomber potential...Minus the greased spool bearings

Micro module is a gimmick in my opninion. I have owned plenty and it's no different in feel than gears in this concept or other reels. I don't feel the gears in the concept z any more than I do in an antares or steez. Look at van staal gears....they'd be called micro module 3x.....but it's still a coffee grinder :) (different gear cut but same idea of tiny teeth)

Now....the biggest gimmick i've seen...though it wasn't pushed at all...just given a name to something silly.......Daiwa's Zero Adjuster...now that is funny
Zero Adjuster is certainly dumb. But so is X-Ship. Its not even a feature worthy lol.


A dual bearing supported pinion is one of the best things to ever be put in a baitcaster. On spinners....Shimano and daiwa support the pinion in two spots below the ar clutch..where others do it above and below the ar clutch. But shimano has done that for a long time they just gave it a name in their spinners recently. They say other things make up x ship...but those are the most important at least in baitcasters.


Xship is no gimmick.

Think about it this way...On a star drag. The drag runs off of the pinion gear. Spool shaft is keyed to the pinion. when a fish takes drag the pinion turns the main gear. Keeping that pinion isolated from any movement goes a long way in keeping a reel feeling like newer longer. The downfall being..in saltwater that bearing is pretty exposed.

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby MediumHeavy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:10 pm

To be honest, I’m a bit surprised at how defensive 13 Fishing is being about reviews and even the slightest criticism of this reel. The comments left on the Reel Test fella on YouTube seemed rude. The Reel Test didn’t even give it a bad review. To me, that’s a red flag, and not just concerning the Concept Z.

If your product is as good as you claim and you stand by it, people will buy it and like it. So, let folks review it however they want. Not everyone has access to test equipment or the ability to perform more scientifically accurate tests. That’s why we have Tackle Tour! :) Besides, even bad reviews are free publicity.

Sorry I don’t have anything to specifically add about the reel itself, I just noticed comments and replies on some YouTube videos and in this thread that made me raise an eyebrow about all of this. Carry on...

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby bigturtle » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:25 pm

ya, what was the "Thanks for the review! We needed a good laugh on a Friday! " left by 13 fishing on reel test's video all about?

Also, im curious if this concept Z bearing will actually last longer than a standard BB and fully sealed CRBB found on shimano/daiwa reels. Maybe spray some saltwater on them and let them sit for a few days?

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby johnD » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:44 pm

SSS wrote:
ScoobyDoo wrote:
QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
SSS wrote:They had trouble competing with Daiwa and Shimano. Without a gimmick and a lot of paid youtubers, its very hard to get noticed when the other two delivering quality

Megabass, Daiwa, Shimano 4life. Rest can go away. :!:

They all have gimmicks daiwas T wing and sv, shimanos micro module and mgl and megabass doesnt even make their own reels.


T wing isn't a gimmick.
Whether it gains me distance or not I can't tell...never took it off and put on a standard levelwind. But it eliminates that bouncing off the rev limiter sound and sensation that happens on all non dsg levelwind reels as the line comes off the spool off center from the line guide. And i like the way stiffer lines come off the spool. If you've ever cast an open frame or non levelwind reel.(not sure if you have) but it offers that kind of smoothness. If daiwa put it in their lexa 400 which already has the furthest spaced levelwind from the spool ....It would have some serious long range bomber potential...Minus the greased spool bearings

Micro module is a gimmick in my opninion. I have owned plenty and it's no different in feel than gears in this concept or other reels. I don't feel the gears in the concept z any more than I do in an antares or steez. Look at van staal gears....they'd be called micro module 3x.....but it's still a coffee grinder :) (different gear cut but same idea of tiny teeth)

Now....the biggest gimmick i've seen...though it wasn't pushed at all...just given a name to something silly.......Daiwa's Zero Adjuster...now that is funny
Zero Adjuster is certainly dumb. But so is X-Ship. Its not even a feature worthy lol.


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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby ScoobyDoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:53 pm

bigturtle wrote:ya, what was the "Thanks for the review! We needed a good laugh on a Friday! " left by 13 fishing on reel test's video all about?

Also, im curious if this concept Z bearing will actually last longer than a standard BB and fully sealed CRBB found on shimano/daiwa reels. Maybe spray some saltwater on them and let them sit for a few days?


Gotta admit....Guy buys your reel with his hard earned money....puts the time in to supply the community with what he considers valuable feedback. *me personally I don't like the wheel measure method...and think all little biddy bass reels will all cast within 10% of one another.


And someone from your company leaves a fairly dooshy comment.

EDITED.....Giving benefit of the doubt....the comment could be read both ways..........but it seems to be taken negetively.

I'd post something in response there..but he blocked me from commentin on his channel. :(
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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby Polkfish1 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:28 pm

Thank you ScoobyDoo for initiating this thread and your excellent work field testing. Having read this I've learned not only about the concept z, but also quite a bit about reels in general from your knowledgeable responses throughout. Based on your video and this thread, I can't see any bias In your tests. Thanks also for putting yourself out there--seems like you have received more criticism than this reel. This has been very helpful.

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby fffishing » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:47 pm

ScoobyDoo
Thank's for your testing ! No surprice,like I said before,-all this story about "revolutionary" reels with "magic NO BEARING" :lol: :lol: :lol: good just for naive kids :mrgreen:
And so agressive reaction of "Mr 13" [-X only put this reels more down :(

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby DirtyD64 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:51 pm

I remember when Daiwa got made fun of for the T-Wing. People hyped like crazy then realized it wasn't the most ground breaking invention of all time. They hated on Daiwa pretty bad, caught some slack for the "grooving" (just like they did for SV spools sticking) but... at least in my experience they made it right.
Any issue with any new tech I have ever had, they have righted and/or made up for it. Actually Abu Garcia has for me too. I got to hold a Concept Z today at a Jonesboro AR sporting good store and it was alright. For me the smooth/feel list would go: Curado K-Tatula SV/CT-R-Revo STX in the $200 range. Tied past that would be the 13 reels, Lew's reels, etc. However I honestly felt the Concept C and A were more refined in retrieve and spool feel than the Z. The spool rocks back and forth from the line guide to thumb bar direction just as mentioned by this review.

On a positive note I do think that these reels are all within a few percent of each other in most categories and aspects. The Concept Z will work any bugs out, I'm unsure of their customer service (I've been stuck in a bit of a mess, long story). Just as any other reel does it will have pro's and con's, the longevity of casting performance might stay longer with less fear of saltwater/freshwater corrosion while trading that floating smooth feel. From the store handling I experienced though, the A and C had that glass feeling while the Z was still smooth but just not "slick" feeling.
They could send me one and I would be glad to do a long right up and even do some salt chemical tests to confirm what I am sure they already know.

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby QUAKEnSHAKE » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:46 am

13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.

The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class

you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .


I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ball bearings had the longest cast.
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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby bigturtle » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:49 am

QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.

The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class

you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .


I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.

No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 mark

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby Cristo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:58 am

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In this day with technology in Social Media, fack I feel old. Other than this I take no part of it. Side note...... :laugh1:
but I think it is easy to be able to throw reviews and opinions out quickly. Sign of the times cliche I suppose. Anyway some are well thought out well others leave you with more questions. I don't have an issue with a company representative taking the time to champion their company's product and/or address questions from us the public. Ultimately it is up to us to cipher through the BS. I also really appreciate our public likr Sciob and others whi put it out 100. How we are able to do that is different as stated. Some of us heavily rely on forums for their intelligence while others can more ultimately purchase product and field test. I am super thankful for TT in particular. I am also blessed to be able to do both 8-[ One of the most reasonable/respectable places to be part of. Been part of others and that was for the birds. Great stories, reviews Pro/public, pictures and a bastion of intel =D> So with that being stated keep it up and thanks for keeping the gloves up as well gents, no white knight here :lol: :lol: :lol: I am off to the local waters :big grin:
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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby Poisson » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:42 am

MediumHeavy wrote:To be honest, I’m a bit surprised at how defensive 13 Fishing is being about reviews and even the slightest criticism of this reel. The comments left on the Reel Test fella on YouTube seemed rude. The Reel Test didn’t even give it a bad review. To me, that’s a red flag, and not just concerning the Concept Z.

If your product is as good as you claim and you stand by it, people will buy it and like it. So, let folks review it however they want. Not everyone has access to test equipment or the ability to perform more scientifically accurate tests. That’s why we have Tackle Tour! :) Besides, even bad reviews are free publicity.

Sorry I don’t have anything to specifically add about the reel itself, I just noticed comments and replies on some YouTube videos and in this thread that made me raise an eyebrow about all of this. Carry on...


=D> This sums it up for me. I'm sure such aggressive marketing works to some extent, but to me it is such a turn off. The marketing of the Concept Z makes me feel like I'm at the car lot being followed around by that guy who just doesn't know when to stop selling. The harder I get pushed the more skeptical I become.

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby QUAKEnSHAKE » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:37 am

bigturtle wrote:
QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.

The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class

you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .


I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.

No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 mark

Yes it did. Re-read my statement.

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Re: Concept Z initial impressions. Did I expect too much?

Postby ScoobyDoo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:02 am

QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
bigturtle wrote:
QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
13Fishing wrote:So....basically summarizing everything on this thread.

The Concept Z has proven its point and philosophy. We have developed a new one-piece bearing technology that casts equal to or better than the reels in its class

you guys are so caught up in proving what will cast longer you seem to have missed the point that a ZERO BALL BEARING reel just went head to head with some pretty high end reels and more than held its own. .


I agree with this. In THE REEL TEST video the Z did actually get the farthest distance. Against Shimanos most important reel in their line-up the Curado K the Z without using ballbearing had the longest cast.

No it didnt, curado K out cast the concept z in reel test. Look at the 11:20 mark

Yes it did. Re-read my statement.


My issue with his casting tests...and why he blocks me on his channel.
If i used a wheel meausure.....between the lumpy grass and goose poop. My measurements would be so out of whack. He really should just pull out a tape and cast to a point on it. He should also show the cast not from the chest perspective.
Do you remember the antares dc vid where the guy puts the line counter on and reels up 100Yards..casting a friggin frog?
There is no way on earth you can cast a frog 100 yards on a little bass rod. I caught flack for saying it went 60.
If he's using his cating vids as a point of reference....and comparing winners by averaging distances....he should do it more accurately.
If he's getting 220 with a 3/8oz plascit plug, thick mono a shorter rod and what looks like a short snappy casting stroke which only loads the rod tip. ANd I'm only getting 30 feet further loading the rod all the way to the butt, using super thin braid and a heavier lead weight...something doesn't add up. I had a few distance casters look at his vid. And they all scratch their heads. Also forcing a cast to a specific point vs just letting it fly would also reflect more accurately on the consistency.

But if you're not an accurate caster it will take many more casts to get accurate measures keeping them close to the tape vs 20' out to the sides.

He bases everything he does on casting distances. If he's putting the time in to do that...he might as well do it more accurately in a more open way


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