Pflueger anti-reverse problems in the cold....

[Boondock]

In the cold the anti-reverse stops working and causes lots of problems.
Anybody else have this issue? A buddy has the same reel with the same problem so I doubt it is isolated.
Here is the reel we have
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Pflueger ... PPCRS.html

Does anybody have problems with the Patriarch Magnesium? Would think a lot of the parts are the same.
I was fishing in weather in the 15-20 degree range with some wind to make it even worse. Buddy had problems around 35 degrees.

Any fixes? Thanks!

[RWSCHMITZ]

It's not the bearing or reel it is because the bearing has grease in it. Take the side plate off and wash out the A/R Bearing with Dawn and water and tooth brush, or some carb clean, be careful the carb clean can melt plastic trim on the reel side plate. then blow dry with a hair dryer and 2-3 drops of Hot Sauce oil, do not over lube. Your reel will work in cold weather fine after that.

[Somerdink]

One of my older Pflueger spinning reels did the same thing and the guy that fixes my reels couldn't find the problem he even changed the anti-reverse bearing in it also. A friend of mine as a Shimano Stella 2500 and it does it all time somewhere in the -5 to 5 degree range. I would like to know as well.

[Somerdink]

It's not the bearing or reel it is because the bearing has grease in it. Take the side plate off and wash out the A/R Bearing with Dawn and water and tooth brush, or some carb clean, be careful the carb clean can melt plastic trim on the reel side plate. then blow dry with a hair dryer and 2-3 drops of Hot Sauce oil, do not over lube. Your reel will work in cold weather fine after that.

Im going to give that idea a try next time my reel does do it again also.

[Canga-]

i havent had any problems with either my patriarch or gold supreme XT's, i had the same problem with my brother-in-laws quantum catalyst pti-b...but none of my pfluegers.

the quantum works fine in warmer weather, but when it got down to about 25 last year the anti-reverse wouldnt work. interested to see if cleaning the bearing works, will have to let him know so he can clean it and then go try it out!

[Basswrangler]

I have had this happen with a pflueger president in 15 degree weather. The reel is fine in warmer weather and I suspect the problem lies with an overlubed A/R bearing, althoughI haven't cleaned it too check.

I got to thinking though and does anyone think its possible that the sleeve that contacts the anti-reserves bearing shrinks in extreme cold conditions. I know the tolerances are fairly tight and since the A/R bearing is made of mainly plastic in spinning reels like the pfuegler, tempurature would not shrink the A/R bearing housing (but may effect the metal sleeve). I kind of doubt this theory, but it would explain slippage in cold weather.

[uljersey]

It likely is grease on the a/r bearing. You can not access this bearing through the side plate, and carb cleaner has no business being anywhere near a reel, especially a high dollar one. A/R bearings should be thoroughly cleaned, dried and a very light coat of light oil. Never grease.

If it's under warranty, send it back. If not, here is a Pflueger schematic. It's for a Supreme, but not your particular model. You should have got a schematic with your reel. Anyhow, item 43 on this is the a/r bearing, which requires removal of the rotor assembly to access it. Very tiny parts and no room for error. This is to give you an idea how far into it you need to go.

http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/content/purefishing/ed-8230MG

[Boondock]

Thanks a lot guys!
Great info

[mattfish11]

It's not the bearing or reel it is because the bearing has grease in it. Take the side plate off and wash out the A/R Bearing with Dawn and water and tooth brush, or some carb clean, be careful the carb clean can melt plastic trim on the reel side plate. then blow dry with a hair dryer and 2-3 drops of Hot Sauce oil, do not over lube. Your reel will work in cold weather fine after that.

If the bearing had grease in/on it - the problem with the A/R would be pretty consistent - and not only happen in the colder weather. Its worth a shot - clean it out really good with simple green to break down any grease and particles in there and flush it really good with rubbing alcohol... Make sure you get all the simple green (or any other degreaser you use) before drying and reassemblying...

If that doesn't work - replace the A/R bearing!

[slipperybob]

It could just be a dirty bearing. Had that happen to me in some older Shimano and Shakespeare reels that I ice fish with.

[RWSCHMITZ]

It's not the bearing or reel it is because the bearing has grease in it. Take the side plate off and wash out the A/R Bearing with Dawn and water and tooth brush, or some carb clean, be careful the carb clean can melt plastic trim on the reel side plate. then blow dry with a hair dryer and 2-3 drops of Hot Sauce oil, do not over lube. Your reel will work in cold weather fine after that.

If the bearing had grease in/on it - the problem with the A/R would be pretty consistent - and not only happen in the colder weather. Its worth a shot - clean it out really good with simple green to break down any grease and particles in there and flush it really good with rubbing alcohol... Make sure you get all the simple green (or any other degreaser you use) before drying and reassemblying...

If that doesn't work - replace the A/R bearing!

in the cold the grease will get stiff from the cold and cause the A/R to fail but in the warm weather it will be fine.

[mattfish11]

It's not the bearing or reel it is because the bearing has grease in it. Take the side plate off and wash out the A/R Bearing with Dawn and water and tooth brush, or some carb clean, be careful the carb clean can melt plastic trim on the reel side plate. then blow dry with a hair dryer and 2-3 drops of Hot Sauce oil, do not over lube. Your reel will work in cold weather fine after that.

If the bearing had grease in/on it - the problem with the A/R would be pretty consistent - and not only happen in the colder weather. Its worth a shot - clean it out really good with simple green to break down any grease and particles in there and flush it really good with rubbing alcohol... Make sure you get all the simple green (or any other degreaser you use) before drying and reassemblying...

If that doesn't work - replace the A/R bearing!

in the cold the grease will get stiff from the cold and cause the A/R to fail but in the warm weather it will be fine.

Interesting.... I would think the grease in warm weather (slicker) would cause a failure in the anti-reverse more so than the cold weather.

OP - I would clean the A/R really well, let completely dry and ad a drop of bearing oil and see if that fixes the problem! If not - get a new bearing!

[Koldkut]

I just had this very problem with my Pflueger Patriarch spinning reel yesterday, thankfully, the ensuing tangle from a hookset did not catch anything other than the spool and the fish was large enough to pull it all out from drag. Boondock had asked me if I had any problems with it when he posted this thread up and I had no problems up to that point. I did feel it slip two other times after that mess, but it was only a little and not due to fish hookups, but rather hard jigging action with heavy spoons.