New shimano crucial info

[ScoobyDoo]

Not sure whats wrong with uplocking reel seats....I have a bunch of new cumaras...all of which perform great...They aren't cumulous rods..but great sticks.

I prefer uplocking reel seets on both conventional and spinning. Thousands of casts with the new rods..never once an issue.

Where did this inside info come from that they are releasing a new crucial lineup???????

[MaxZmus]

Scoob im with you on uplocking seats. I love em, i hate seeing the thread on downlocking seats plus the threads rub on my index finger depending on how im holding the rod at the time and it can be uncomfortable.


Crucials have been on clearance at most retailers so thats usually a dead giveaway that new models are coming. I think the current line up is fine they just need to be balanced. It was a huge mistake on shimano for making all the handles the same length. My buddy picked up the 7'9" frog rod and that thing feels like its gonna break my wrist just holding it. It took a buttcap filled with 11 quarters to balance it.



Fix the balance Shimano ,!,!,!,!!

[joeyblackwood]

I still have a couple original cork Crucial rods and love them to death. Not sure what it is, but every time I try out one of the newer EVA foam Crucials, they just don't feel the same

It's a proven fact, cork transmits the feel from the blank better than that eva foam crap. I sold off all my first edition cumara sticks for some loomis because of this fact. I did enjoy fishing my older cork handled clarus though. I won't even consider sticks that use foam as a main component. I've been noticing in my wife's closet and at the malls that a ton of cork is suddenly being used in women's footwear. Like massively healed shoes made 90% from cork materials. I blame that for the price increase. I was walking by a women's shoe store the other day where over 80% of their inventory used cork in some way.

[Hogsticker2]

I still have a couple original cork Crucial rods and love them to death. Not sure what it is, but every time I try out one of the newer EVA foam Crucials, they just don't feel the same

It's a proven fact, cork t7ransmits the feel from the blank better than that eva foam crap. I sold off all my first edition cumara sticks for some loomis because of this fact. I did enjoy fishing my older cork handled clarus though. I won't even consider sticks that use foam as a main component. I've been noticing in my wife's closet and at the malls that a ton of cork is suddenly being used in women's footwear. Like massively healed shoes made 90% from cork materials. I blame that for the price increase. I was walking by a women's shoe store the other day where over 80% of their inventory used cork in some way.

I would like to see this factual information please. Go ahead and post it right here. I'll be waiting.

[joeyblackwood]

I still have a couple original cork Crucial rods and love them to death. Not sure what it is, but every time I try out one of the newer EVA foam Crucials, they just don't feel the same

It's a proven fact, cork t7ransmits the feel from the blank better than that eva foam crap. I sold off all my first edition cumara sticks for some loomis because of this fact. I did enjoy fishing my older cork handled clarus though. I won't even consider sticks that use foam as a main component. I've been noticing in my wife's closet and at the malls that a ton of cork is suddenly being used in women's footwear. Like massively healed shoes made 90% from cork materials. I blame that for the price increase. I was walking by a women's shoe store the other day where over 80% of their inventory used cork in some way.

I would like to see this factual information please. Go ahead and post it right here. I'll be waiting.

From Gary Dobyns' own mouth:

. ..I could build lighter rods if that was all I was after. For example, I’m using a top quality high density cork that weighs 30% more than inferior handles. I chose to build a balanced rod that is very, very sensitive, and it feels very light.....

Only my swimbait rods have the EVA foam. It has become the standard for swimbait rods and that is what the swimbait gurus prefer, so my swimbait line has EVA grips. It’s not a sensitivity deal, actually foam is way less sensitive than cork. EVA foam is cheap—good cork handles are outrageously expensive—so a lot of the companies that are after a price point will have foam on the handles. I think cork is sharper looking and more sensitive, so I use it on everything except for the swimbait rods.
More on EVA's inferiority to cork: http://www.lakeforkguidetrips.com/fishi ... ug2009.htm

From veteran rod builders' forum:

...From my fishing experience foam tends to be less sensitive when compared to cork...

...My vote is cork. I think that cork is more sensitive....

.. Beyond cork being more sensitive, it is also lighter in weight...

I would take a veteran rodbuilders' remarks as fact, they are more expert in this than you or I. You can scoff at it, but THEY are the experts not you.

[Hogsticker2]

I still have a couple original cork Crucial rods and love them to death. Not sure what it is, but every time I try out one of the newer EVA foam Crucials, they just don't feel the same

It's a proven fact, cork t7ransmits the feel from the blank better than that eva foam crap. I sold off all my first edition cumara sticks for some loomis because of this fact. I did enjoy fishing my older cork handled clarus though. I won't even consider sticks that use foam as a main component. I've been noticing in my wife's closet and at the malls that a ton of cork is suddenly being used in women's footwear. Like massively healed shoes made 90% from cork materials. I blame that for the price increase. I was walking by a women's shoe store the other day where over 80% of their inventory used cork in some way.

I would like to see this factual information please. Go ahead and post it right here. I'll be waiting.

From Gary Dobyns' own mouth:

. ..I could build lighter rods if that was all I was after. For example, I’m using a top quality high density cork that weighs 30% more than inferior handles. I chose to build a balanced rod that is very, very sensitive, and it feels very light.....

Only my swimbait rods have the EVA foam. It has become the standard for swimbait rods and that is what the swimbait gurus prefer, so my swimbait line has EVA grips. It’s not a sensitivity deal, actually foam is way less sensitive than cork. EVA foam is cheap—good cork handles are outrageously expensive—so a lot of the companies that are after a price point will have foam on the handles. I think cork is sharper looking and more sensitive, so I use it on everything except for the swimbait rods.
More on EVA's inferiority to cork: http://www.lakeforkguidetrips.com/fishi ... ug2009.htm

From veteran rod builders' forum:

...From my fishing experience foam tends to be less sensitive when compared to cork...

...My vote is cork. I think that cork is more sensitive....

.. Beyond cork being more sensitive, it is also lighter in weight...

I would take a veteran rodbuilders' remarks as fact, they are more expert in this than you or I. You can scoff at it, but THEY are the experts not you.

They are all opinions, not facts. I've not only spoke with rod builders that have been doing it for years, and have had some of them build rods for me. I'm sure if I took the time to search the subject on rod building forums I could find many differing opinions as well. The point being - They are all subjective. There is no scientific data that proves cork is more sensitive than EVA when utilized as a rod grip. Sorry. Any good rod builder will tell you that the rod handle grip plays a very small role in the sensitivity of a rod, with the build itself, guide size, quality, and placement playing a much larger part. Most of the folks that post on those rod building forums do it for fun just as I do. Does that make them or I an expert? Not so much.

[joeyblackwood]

We'll just have to agree to disagree...

[Hogsticker2]

We'll just have to agree to disagree...

Fair enough

[bassninja]

Today I talked to one of the "authorized" Shimano dealers from around this area. He said that the new Crucial rods will only come with a 1-year warranty, similar to the Poison Adrena and Expride. He says that Shimano is trying to do away with the limited lifetime warranty for their rods. If that's true, it's gonna be a major buzzkill.

[joeyblackwood]

Today I talked to one of the "authorized" Shimano dealers from around this area. He said that the new Crucial rods will only come with a 1-year warranty, similar to the Poison Adrena and Expride. He says that Shimano is trying to do away with the limited lifetime warranty for their rods. If that's true, it's gonna be a major buzzkill.

That's like Oreo removing the creme from their cookies...sad day

[John Puckett]

Today I talked to one of the "authorized" Shimano dealers from around this area. He said that the new Crucial rods will only come with a 1-year warranty, similar to the Poison Adrena and Expride. He says that Shimano is trying to do away with the limited lifetime warranty for their rods. If that's true, it's gonna be a major buzzkill.

That's like Oreo removing the creme from their cookies...sad day

I couldn't agree more guys, I really can't see why they would do this. I know it's a "profit" boosting move but Shimano makes enough every year that they could continue to provide this service.

[tywithay]

If they change the warranty, it could either be a good thing or bad thing depending on which way they go with it. If they just pocket the difference, then poo on them. If they put the extra cash into better components or better blanks and sell a much higher performing rod at the lower price point, then I think it will be worth it. I've personally only used warranties on any brand of rod two times, and both were within the first few weeks of using them. After a year or two, I figure I got my monies worth on a rod in this price range.

[badbuffalo]

If they change the warranty, it could either be a good thing or bad thing depending on which way they go with it. If they just pocket the difference, then poo on them. If they put the extra cash into better components or better blanks and sell a much higher performing rod at the lower price point, then I think it will be worth it. I've personally only used warranties on any brand of rod two times, and both were within the first few weeks of using them. After a year or two, I figure I got my monies worth on a rod in this price range.

My thought on warranty's exactly. If it has not broke after a couple months worth of hard fishing its probly not gonna break unless I do something wrong. Id much rather see the extra cost going towords components/blank material than trying to cover there buts (but theres no guarantee there not just gonna pocket the extra "warranty" cost)

[vsmpowered]

Bring cork handle crucial back

[DChiWildcats]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a 7'3" TC4 type of graphite / glass composite heavy action chatterbait rod.