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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby MardukFIN » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:43 pm

Ordered same spool yesterday. We'll see how it performs.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby Strewth » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:05 am

Dalleinf wrote:It is not so much the quality of the bearing but more because the bearing is loose on the shaft and slides from side to side. I am not sure that is the reason though. Still, perfectly useable spool! Should be very good for grayling and perch fishing, which I hear is great in Finland (?) as is the nature...


Thanks for the review. You saved me a few dollars as I was going to try one in my Steez A, but I hate noisy spools...

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby SSS » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:19 am

surge wrote:For Japan made stuff I understand that there’s R&D costs, quality control costs, high labor costs. But for chinese stuff...
Exactly.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby Dalleinf » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:18 am

SSS wrote:
surge wrote:For Japan made stuff I understand that there’s R&D costs, quality control costs, high labor costs. But for chinese stuff...
Exactly.


I know little of R&D, factory quality control etc. To some degree, I can follow your thoughts (and agree with you). Still, how much R&D can there be - remove the spool from a Daiwa reel, do measurements, copy, drill some holes, use other metal, make the copy more shallow or do something else to alter the finished product v original. Not exactly a Henry T Ford manoeuvre.
I find ZPI spools better than Momos and Rays, and will suggest that others save their $ for ZPI, but 150$ is almost the price of an entire reel that is made in Japan...

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby surge » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 pm

Dalleinf wrote:
SSS wrote:
surge wrote:For Japan made stuff I understand that there’s R&D costs, quality control costs, high labor costs. But for chinese stuff...
Exactly.


I know little of R&D, factory quality control etc. To some degree, I can follow your thoughts (and agree with you). Still, how much R&D can there be - remove the spool from a Daiwa reel, do measurements, copy, drill some holes, use other metal, make the copy more shallow or do something else to alter the finished product v original. Not exactly a Henry T Ford manoeuvre.
I find ZPI spools better than Momos and Rays, and will suggest that others save their $ for ZPI, but 150$ is almost the price of an entire reel that is made in Japan...


Do the ZPI spools (BE, M, PG etc) perform better than other spools? You don’t achieve that by blindly drilling holes, changing materials or making it shallow. R&D is what makes the spool perform better than the others.

Measure, copy, drill holes, use lower quality materials is what the chinese are doing.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby jvelth74 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:26 am

I suppose that ZPI is heavier than MOMO’s and also there is bigger rotational momentum of Inertia in ZPI? Please correct me if I’m not correct.

And for me small rotational momentum of Inertia in spool is very important in finesse fishing using a baitcast reel. Otherwise spool just wouldn’t start to rotate and casting is impossible.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby Dalleinf » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:13 am

jvelth74 wrote:I suppose that ZPI is heavier than MOMO’s and also there is bigger rotational momentum of Inertia in ZPI? Please correct me if I’m not correct.

And for me small rotational momentum of Inertia in spool is very important in finesse fishing using a baitcast reel. Otherwise spool just wouldn’t start to rotate and casting is impossible.


The ZPI spools (nrc001 M and PG) are also very light - close to 7 g with bearing, but they are also deeper and therefore not the best finesse spools out there. Still, the M is not that deep and does quite well with approx. 4 gram lures (I have not gone lower with this spool).

To me, what makes Daiwa reels really shine, is the possibility of easily swapping and using many different spools in different reels. Today, I followed advice from another TT thread and removed the inductor from a SV103 spool and replaced with a Rays DIY inductor - big improvent to the SV103 spool in my hands. Thank God for Chinese R&D ;) Now, since Shimano will not sell it separately, if only the Chinese would produce a copy of the Shimano SVS Infinity block to put on Avail and KTF spools.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby jvelth74 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:26 am

OK - thanks! Then those ZPI's would have been alternative for me. But currently I'm happy with MOMO's honeycomb. And it was cheaper. Final price delivered to me considerably cheaper. But I can believe that ZPI's are good and could be smoother / more silent.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby jvelth74 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 am

Dalleinf wrote:It is not so much the quality of the bearing but more because the bearing is loose on the shaft and slides from side to side. I am not sure that is the reason though.
I checked all my Zillion spools (Original spool of SV Zillion and HLC Zillion) and Ray’s Finesse spool. Bearing slides from side to side in all of these. I didn’t remove the bearings from axles to clarify is there differences of diameters of axles. But my feel is really that maybe bearing in MOMO’s would slide easiest of these. And maybe that can be source of sound. And in my opinion also heavily ported spool is good guess for sound source.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby Dalleinf » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:51 am

Ok, thanks. Yes, that the spool is ported may also play a role... Still works nicely.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby mark poulson » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:01 am

jvelth74 wrote:
Dalleinf wrote:It is not so much the quality of the bearing but more because the bearing is loose on the shaft and slides from side to side. I am not sure that is the reason though.
I checked all my Zillion spools (Original spool of SV Zillion and HLC Zillion) and Ray’s Finesse spool. Bearing slides from side to side in all of these. I didn’t remove the bearings from axles to clarify is there differences of diameters of axles. But my feel is really that maybe bearing in MOMO’s would slide easiest of these. And maybe that can be source of sound. And in my opinion also heavily ported spool is good guess for sound source.


Wouldn't the line on the spool block the porting holes, so they can't make noise?

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby jvelth74 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:34 am

Yes, line of course blocks holes. But there’s so thin layer of thin line. And at least in case of my spool form of holes are clearly visible despite of line. Form of stack of line is not perfect round – the form of honeycomb is still visible.

And I don’t have examined with care airflow inside spool during the cast (maybe nobody has done that) but obviously there’s pretty wild circulation of airflow and in my opinion port holes and other not uniform parts can cause noise inside spool.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby mark poulson » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:43 am

jvelth74 wrote:Yes, line of course blocks holes. But there’s so thin layer of thin line. And at least in case of my spool form of holes are clearly visible despite of line. Form of stack of line is not perfect round – the form of honeycomb is still visible.

And I don’t have examined with care airflow inside spool during the cast (maybe nobody has done that) but obviously there’s pretty wild circulation of airflow and in my opinion port holes and other not uniform parts can cause noise inside spool.

That may be so, but, like you say, no one has done any testing that I know of.
My guess is that the thinness of the spool walls is probably more to blame, because the thin walls would amplify any vibration, like a speaker.

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Re: Anyone tried DIY spools? $29-$40 BFS spools!

Postby jvelth74 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:55 am

Yes, common sense says so that there’s not much but enough more clearance than in other spools between shaft and bearing inner ring, which is enough to cause vibrations and noise.

But in my opinion also form of this (heavily ported) spool can cause noise as well.


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