Steez racing design guys

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Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:04 am

I'm looking to replace my 6'8 Jackson super trickster pp finesse with a racing design for Ned's and shakeyheads as I feel my current rod is lacking greatly in the sensitivity department. My question is do I want the 6'8 or the 6'10. I believe the 6'8 is a medium and the 6'10 is a medium light, but the lue and line ratings are the same I believe. Thanks guys!

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by kyty » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:47 pm

I didn't like my Jackson rod either.

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:44 pm

kyty wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:47 pm
I didn't like my Jackson rod either.
Looks sweet with the Zonda hedgehog but it’s dead feeling. I have recently caught a few off beds with a trd and I set the hook when I saw the fish swim away cause I never felt a thing.

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poisonokie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:49 pm

poot04 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:44 pm
kyty wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:47 pm
I didn't like my Jackson rod either.
Looks sweet with the Zonda hedgehog but it’s dead feeling. I have recently caught a few off beds with a trd and I set the hook when I saw the fish swim away cause I never felt a thing.
Using what line?
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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:51 pm

poisonokie wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:49 pm
poot04 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:44 pm
kyty wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:47 pm
I didn't like my Jackson rod either.
Looks sweet with the Zonda hedgehog but it’s dead feeling. I have recently caught a few off beds with a trd and I set the hook when I saw the fish swim away cause I never felt a thing.
Using what line?
Ygk 22lb to 8lb gama flouro with fg knot

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poisonokie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:01 pm

poot04 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:51 pm

Ygk 22lb to 8lb gama flouro with fg knot
Ah, well IMHO You should try going straight fluoro. Unless you're swimming baits or actively dragging them across the bottom it's just hard to tell you're getting a bite on braid. Even with a $1000 rod you'll be line watching just because braid doesn't transmit anything on slack line, especially when they just subtly pick it up like that. If the line doesn't jump, it won't make the rod tip jump and you'll never know anything changed until you see your line taking off or until the fish swims far enough to take out all the slack itself.
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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:14 pm

poisonokie wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:01 pm
poot04 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:51 pm

Ygk 22lb to 8lb gama flouro with fg knot
Ah, well IMHO You should try going straight fluoro. Unless you're swimming baits or actively dragging them across the bottom it's just hard to tell you're getting a bite on braid. Even with a $1000 rod you'll be line watching just because braid doesn't transmit anything on slack line, especially when they just subtly pick it up like that. If the line doesn't jump, it won't make the rod tip jump and you'll never know anything changed until you see your line taking off or until the fish swims far enough to take out all the slack itself.
I’m going to run a light Carolina rig with a different rod this weekend and float a trd 12 to 18in behind and see if I feel the bite. I don’t have another finesse rod so I am going to put a 5/16 weight on c-rig and pull it with the javelin. I never tried this but I’m going to give it a shot. If I feel like I can feel the bite on a much higher level I believe I will definitely be looking for a more sensitive rod. I used the trickster last year and felt the same way even though I couldn’t see the fish the bait was in their throat before I noticed I had a bite.

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poisonokie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:28 pm

Do you have enough spool capacity to tie on a leader long enough to reach from the spool to the beds you were fishing? That would give you a good idea of the rod's sensitivity on slack line with fluoro. I've never fished a super trickster, but I would think it would have at least some feel. How does a small crank or spinnerbait feel with braid on it? Can you tell when it runs into something solid versus grass versus a strike? When you drag a jig around the small pebbles in the beds can you feel it ticking across them?
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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:38 pm

I can maybe get that much flouro on it. Worth a try. I have never felt like it was transmitting much when dragging a small jig head. I have never fished a moving bait on the rod. Of the rods I have that I fish bottom contact with, Fmj, javelin, Valkyrie 6’11mh, perfect pitch and Valdivia, all feel way more sensitive. I understand that there is a difference in the rods but the feel is substantial.

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by Aquaftm45 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:32 pm

poisonokie wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:01 pm
Even with a $1000 rod you'll be line watching just because braid doesn't transmit anything on slack line, especially when they just subtly pick it up like that.
My guess is he will be able to feel the fish fart, while using lead core line on a RD. That's what I imagine anyway :lol:

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by domthewon » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:06 am

Aquaftm45 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:32 pm
poisonokie wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:01 pm
Even with a $1000 rod you'll be line watching just because braid doesn't transmit anything on slack line, especially when they just subtly pick it up like that.
My guess is he will be able to feel the fish fart, while using lead core line on a RD. That's what I imagine anyway :lol:
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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by domthewon » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:08 am

I love my 6’10” medium+ shallow cover finesse. I’m not sure what weights you plan on using it for, but it will cover exactly the weights it states at least in my experience. I have used it with an 1/8 oz Picasso shakeyhead and roboworm trailer and really like it. I have also most recently threw a 110 on it. When the grass started annoying me I started throwing super flukes on it. Wacky senkos 5-7g jigs and underspins. It’s very versatile and has that power to pull fish in. The taper is fast and since it is only a medium powered rod it has a little give and pins fish nicely. Sensitivity on these rods is very good. I’d say it’s on par with my X7 super eiger just a different feeling. What the racing designs do better than other rods is help you detect exactly where your bait is in the water. Bite detection is also very good. If you look in the right places it can be had for closer to $725 shipped. That extra $275 bought me a nib KTF alphas. Gotta shop smart. :big grin:

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by poot04 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:02 am

Thanks dom. That's exactly what I'm looking for I have found it in the low 800's but that wasn't shipped. 725 shipped is definitely workable. Any place special I should look🙏

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by Winstondry » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:58 pm

I have both the 610ML+ and 701MH and both are in the top 3 most sensitive rods in my book. The 610ML+ I've used for flylining Senkos and shakeyheads, perfect rod for those applications. Off topic from SRD, but another AGS rod to consider is the Heartland 741MHRB, unbelievable craftsmanship, sort of a cross between old school aesthetics and modern technology.

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Re: Steez racing design guys

Post by fishes » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:28 pm

I have the 631mlfb skyray and the 681m/ml. As others have said they are just amazing rods, best rods I've ever used. Sensitivity is incredible, way way better than any nrx I have. I haven't used the 610 but my 681 is noticeably more powerful than the skyray but the skyray handles the bottom range of its lure rating much better than the 681. I tend to use slightly heavier rods for shakeyheads, like a medium or medium heavy so I would get the 681 personally. But for neds i would prefer a ml

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